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[IceFan2005]

I know there is information on this in various posts, but I was hoping to get a collection going here.

With all the teams actively making up their minds about their 2012-2013 roster, I see several people (including me) still confused on the rules that govern the road from random hockey player to playing in a regular USHL season.

Can people post here all the rules and regulations they can think of that factor into this process? What are the known rules about roster size, rules about roster acquisition, important dates, roster restrictions, and roster changes?

Any info would be appreciated.

[Mr Ricochet]

My kind of guy, IceFan. Indeed there are many rules that even veteran USHL fans are unaware of and I'm at the front of that line!! My questions pertain to the ages of the players.


I know you can carry 4 overagers and 4 imports, after that I'm ignorant.

An underager this year is a 95 or 96? How many MUST a team carry?

Are there a certain number of players that have to be carried to fill certain birth years? For example:

1 96
4 95's

In essence I need the breakdown of what a team has to carry on a roster, I simply don't know.

[Sinbin2005]

I know there are a few guys here that have good USHL contacts within the league. Is there any chance of getting something directly from the league?

[Yeti]

Sinbin2005, on 20 June 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

I know there are a few guys here that have good USHL contacts within the league. Is there any chance of getting something directly from the league?

I can try to email Brian Werger (USHL Communications guru), but sometimes it's very hard getting info from the league.

4 imports (players born outside of the USA. Imports who have played three years of organized hockey in the USA are not labeled as imports)
4 overagers (this year that means players born in 1992)

Where I am a little confused at is the younger players, and how many of what birth year each team is supposed to have on the roster. Rico mentioned this above.

[IceFan2005]

Yeti, on 20 June 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

4 imports (players born outside of the USA. Imports who have played three years of organized hockey in the USA are not labeled as imports)
4 overagers (this year that means players born in 1992)

Thanks. This info only applies to the final 23 man roster, right? What is the relationship between the 23 man roster and the affiliate roster?

[Yeti]

IceFan2005, on 20 June 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Yeti, on 20 June 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

4 imports (players born outside of the USA. Imports who have played three years of organized hockey in the USA are not labeled as imports)
4 overagers (this year that means players born in 1992)

Thanks. This info only applies to the final 23 man roster, right? What is the relationship between the 23 man roster and the affiliate roster?

Regarding your first question about the 23-man roster....that is correct.

Unless it has changed, the affiliate roster composes of 14 players, all of which had to have been previously drafted by that team. The 14-player affiliate list must consist of: two players born in '94, six players born in '95, and six players born in '96. Again, players on the affiliate list are all prior draft picks of that team. They can be called up at any time (excluding the playoffs) by their club.

[SCM2011]

Last year teams were forced to carry at least 3 players born in1994 or before on their active roster.

Not sure if or how that rule changes with the new tender rule. I would suspect that tenders can be included in the equation.

Example: 2 95's and 1 tendered 96 satisfies the rule.

[casemagnum]

I believe there is no more "grandfathering in" of imports. No more of playing x amount of years in USA and not being considered as an import. The overagers is no longer under 20 when regular season starts. It is any 1992 born player is considered a 20 year old.

[Yeti]

casemagnum, on 20 June 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

I believe there is no more "grandfathering in" of imports. No more of playing x amount of years in USA and not being considered as an import.

A Canadian-born player at the Lincoln camp told me the Stars coaches told him he wasn't considered an import because he played at least three years of organized hockey in the USA. I believe that was confirmed in a different thread, but I'm not 100% sure.

Edited by Yeti, 20 June 2012 - 11:40 AM.

[Ryan]

casemagnum, on 20 June 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

I believe there is no more "grandfathering in" of imports. No more of playing x amount of years in USA and not being considered as an import. The overagers is no longer under 20 when regular season starts. It is any 1992 born player is considered a 20 year old.

Geoff Ferguson was from Canada, but not an import on last year's team because he played 3 seasons in the USA. That is the only loophole to having more imports.

And I do believe SCM is correct about the teams having to carry a certain amount of younger players. If last year was 94, then this year would be 95 and I'd see no reason as to why a tender wouldn't count towards that total.

[casemagnum]

Was told by a member of the SC coaching staff about the import rule at camp this year is why I said what I did. I hope it is incorrect! I do agree with the rule about requiring 1 or 2 16yr olds on team. I know it was there in past but not sure about currently. I also agree there needs to be a place to physically SEE the rules in black and white each year.

[IceFan2005]

This is exactly the info I was hoping to get. Some questions based on what has been posted:

1. So, unless it has changed, there is a minimum to the number of imported and overage players that must be on the roster, correct?

2. How do call ups with affiliate lists work? Does that mean an affiliate player can suit up for a game without an active man on the 23 roster being released (injury perhaps)? If someone outside the affiliate list is added, then someone on the 23 man must be dropped. Do I have this correct?

3. What exactly is the new tender rule? I know the Ice lost a Futures Draft pick when they tendered Josh Jacobs.

[casemagnum]

IceFan2005, on 20 June 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

This is exactly the info I was hoping to get. Some questions based on what has been posted:

1. So, unless it has changed, there is a minimum to the number of imported and overage players that must be on the roster, correct?

2. How do call ups with affiliate lists work? Does that mean an affiliate player can suit up for a game without an active man on the 23 roster being released (injury perhaps)? If someone outside the affiliate list is added, then someone on the 23 man must be dropped. Do I have this correct?

3. What exactly is the new tender rule? I know the Ice lost a Futures Draft pick when they tendered Josh Jacobs.

1. No more than 4 overage players on a team. No more than 4 imports per team. Just waiting for clarification on determining an import or not.

2. Any player can be called up from affiliates at any time. They can play a certain amount of games while still being on affiliate list without affecting 23 man roster. After 10 games played (I believe) they must be either remain on affiliate or moved to active roster. If added to active roster then that team must remove 1 player to make room for new addition. Also an affiliate may play in regular season games without affecting the 10 game rule if (I believe) 3 or 4 players from same team are playing in All Star game or USA tournaments like Select tournament creating an adversity on that team. Does not matter about injury adversity.

3. Up to 2 tenders were able to be taken before the draft by each team. If they used 1 tender then they lost 1st round Futures pick and the tender must play in 60% of the games the upcoming season. Play meaning suited. They do not have to play any shifts, just be suited. The 2nd tender used the team would lose the 2nd round futures pick and same rules for playing time. They also had to be 16 years or younger.

[Yeti]

casemagnum, on 20 June 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

3. Up to 2 tenders were able to be taken before the draft by each team. If they used 1 tender then they lost 1st round Futures pick and the tender must play in 60% of the games the upcoming season. Play meaning suited. They do not have to play any shifts, just be suited. The 2nd tender used the team would lose the 2nd round futures pick and same rules for playing time. They also had to be 16 years or younger.

Minor clarification here. Not trying to nitpick. In 2012, USHL teams lost a 2nd round Futures Draft pick with their first tender, and a 3rd round Futures Draft pick with their second tender. That was only for this past season. Next year it will go back to the way you described above. If a team signs a tender they lose a 1st round Futures Draft pick. If they sign a second tender they lose a 2nd round Futures Draft pick.

Also, if a "free agent" (player not drafted by that team) participates in at least 10 regular season games, that team can protect him for the next season. You see this done a lot with some of the Minnesota high school players who finish their HS season early. Teams will invite them to play 10 regular season games (normally late in the season) so that they can protect them going into the next season.

[Mr Ricochet]

casemagnum, on 20 June 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

3. Up to 2 tenders were able to be taken before the draft by each team. If they used 1 tender then they lost 1st round Futures pick and the tender must play in 60% of the games the upcoming season. Play meaning suited. They do not have to play any shifts, just be suited. The 2nd tender used the team would lose the 2nd round futures pick and same rules for playing time. They also had to be 16 years or younger.

No Case, the league wasn't happy enough to let the rich get richer and make them lose a 1st round Futures pick for signing a tender. They instead made them give up a SECOND round pick for the first tender signed, and a THIRD round pick for the 2nd tender signed!!

The way it worked out GB, counting their two tenders, had 3 kids become their property before the Steel had their 2nd kid.

[IceFan2005]

casemagnum, on 20 June 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

1. No more than 4 overage players on a team. No more than 4 imports per team. Just waiting for clarification on determining an import or not.

Awesome! Most my questions answered right away. Thanks guys.

So, "no more than" means no minimum then, right? You can have a team with no 92s or imports?

[Sinbin2005]

A free agent can also be added to a team's affiliate list before rosters are submitted at the start of a season. I'm not sure if that 10 game requirement actually exists regarding affiliate lists.

[OutdoorJoe]

http://www.usahockey...01113_FINAL.pdf

Pages 27 to 32 talk about team rules in regards to games. Dosent specifically cover rosters but its a start I guess.

[Ryan]

Sinbin2005, on 20 June 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

A free agent can also be added to a team's affiliate list before rosters are submitted at the start of a season. I'm not sure if that 10 game requirement actually exists regarding affiliate lists.

I am pretty sure to be added to the affiliate list, the player has to be a draft pick and some sort of property. I don't think they can just see a kid with no USHL ties and put him on their affiliate list. They could if he played a few games from the 23 man roster and then was moved down.

[Yeti]

Ryan, on 20 June 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

Sinbin2005, on 20 June 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

A free agent can also be added to a team's affiliate list before rosters are submitted at the start of a season. I'm not sure if that 10 game requirement actually exists regarding affiliate lists.

I am pretty sure to be added to the affiliate list, the player has to be a draft pick and some sort of property. I don't think they can just see a kid with no USHL ties and put him on their affiliate list. They could if he played a few games from the 23 man roster and then was moved down.

That is correct.