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[wndrkty]

Ryan, on 10 February 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

The 2nd period was just crazy as it seemed there was no even strength play. Lincoln was giving lots of extra shoves and cross checks after whistles and were whistled for a spearing major, checking from behind, and a checking from behind. This was only the 2nd time I've ever seen 3 penalties on the board at once. Earlier in the period, Mark Miller went hard to the net and put the brakes on before crashing into Williams, but was helped by a Stars player into him. Schutt comes in and starts punching away on a defenseless Miller laying face down on the ice. I'm all for defending your goalie, but don't pound a kid's head into the ice.

Then Teemu Tiitinen had the puck along the boards and was already sort of falling down (best way I can describe it) and Babinski sees numbers and still throws a check. Tiitinen's face goes right into the dasher and they called for the medic to go to the locker room after he left the ice. Shine ended up fighting Babinski for the hit, which is a reason fighting is in the game...to police it.

The second period was as crazy as it was because Sheva had no control over the game. In the first period he called almost no penalties and allowed the players to get very chippy. By the second period it had just about gotten out of control. Luckily I think Sheva finally found his head and started calling everything. I think he made some bad calls against both teams but at least he was calling penalties.

I had a good view of the Mark Miller incident. It looked to me like he was trying to give the Lincoln goalie a snow shower and when the Lincoln player came up behind him he overbalanced and face planted into the cross bar. He came out after the game pretty bruised from the incident. I'd agree, I'm normally all for defending your goalie but IMO Miller really didn't do anything in this case.

Babinski's hit was a bad one, and I've heard the poor kid was taken to the hospital for it. I'm normally not a proponent of fighting but I do agree with you that this fight was warranted. Again, I'm just glad Sheva didn't let the situation escalate out of control. All that kept going through my head was the home opener when Anthony Hamburg took a bad hit and the fights ended up dominating the rest off the game.

[SCM2011]

Ryan, on 10 February 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

Reading the recap of the Muskies win and it sounds like it never should have made it into OT.

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The goal came in unlikely fashion as Waterloo forward Tyler Zepeda picked off a pass at the top of the zone with the Musketeers on a power play and notched his 8th of the season on a shorthanded breakaway.

However, replays later showed the puck hit the bottom of the cross bar and never crossed the goal line.

The first goal sounded like it was questionable as well with the referee and goal judge not seeing it go in, but a linesman said he saw it so the goal counted.

I'll reserve judgement on the First 2 goals as they were on the other end of the ice but the 3rd "goal" wasn't even close. The puck hit the cross bar and bounced down and away from the net.

No light ever goes on, the linesmen makes the call as the ref was well behind the play and then they never consult the goal judge.

The first goal was on the other end of the ice and the light never went on. After about a 2 minute discussion the ref calls a goal.

On the 2nrd goal they ruled David Goodwin closed his hand on the puck in the crease and awarded Cammerata a penalty shot.

Edited by SCM2011, 11 February 2012 - 08:58 AM.

[Yeti]

I watched the Lincoln-Omaha game last night, and from the replays I saw, Miller was not pushed into Williams at all. I got pretty upset watching since it looked like Miller knew Williams was there, put his head down, and ran him. Not really impressed with that kid. His suckerpunch on Will Suter started the line brawl a few weeks ago. That's why he ended up fighting Suter yesterday.

Heard that the hit from behind on Lincoln Teemu Tiitinen may have broken an orbital bone in his face. Concussion likely. That's another hit the Stars will remember the next time they play the Lancers I'm sure.

I thought the first period was pretty even in terms of offensive chances. Second period was pretty much all Omaha because of the penalties. I don't understand Sheva at all. One of the worst traits of an official is if he's inconsistent. If you're going to call a tight game, do it all game long. Don't start a game loose, then tighten up in the second period. Some of the calls (on both sides) in the second period were ridiculous. Stars score a goal and immediately get called for a minor during the goal celebration. What? A simple push gets called.

I thought the Stars dominated the third, and Demko was the big reason why the game went to OT and the Lancers got the two points. Give credit to Demko because he shutdown the Stars in the shootout. Very impressed with his play. One thing he really needs to work on is his rebound control. Just about every Stars goal was scored on a rebound right in front of him.

Tough to lose the fifth straight to Omaha, after winning six in a row against them going back to last season, but I'm not too concerned because I thought Lincoln was far better at even-strength than Omaha. Lancers won the special teams war like they've done all season. Props to them.

Edited by Yeti, 11 February 2012 - 09:48 AM.

[wndrkty]

Yeti, on 11 February 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

I watched the Lincoln-Omaha game last night, and from the replays I saw, Miller was not pushed into Williams at all. I got pretty upset watching since it looked like Miller knew Williams was there, put his head down, and ran him. Not really impressed with that kid. His suckerpunch on Will Suter started the line brawl a few weeks ago. That's why he ended up fighting Suter yesterday.

Heard that the hit from behind on Lincoln Teemu Tiitinen may have broken an orbital bone in his face. Concussion likely. That's another hit the Stars will remember the next time they play the Lancers I'm sure.

I thought the first period was pretty even in terms of offensive chances. Second period was pretty much all Omaha because of the penalties. I don't understand Sheva at all. One of the worst traits of an official is if he's inconsistent. If you're going to call a tight game, do it all game long. Don't start a game loose, then tighten up in the second period. Some of the calls (on both sides) in the second period were ridiculous. Stars score a goal and immediately get called for a minor during the goal celebration. What? A simple push gets called.

I thought the Stars dominated the third, and Demko was the big reason why the game went to OT and the Lancers got the two points. Give credit to Demko because he shutdown the Stars in the shootout. Very impressed with his play. One thing he really needs to work on is his rebound control. Just about every Stars goal was scored on a rebound right in front of him.

Tough to lose the fifth straight to Omaha, after winning six in a row against them going back to last season, but I'm not too concerned because I thought Lincoln was far better at even-strength than Omaha. Lancers won the special teams war like they've done all season. Props to them.

I gotta disagree with you on the Mark Miller thing. I won't deny the sucker punch from last game, but last night he did not intentionally run completely over the goalie. He wasn't pushed by the Lincoln player but because they came up behind him like they did he overbalanced, face planted the cross bar, and then fell onto the goalie. Should he have been in the crease like he was? No. But in this case I don't feel he deserves the blame for charging the goalie.

Said it before too, but I fully agree that Sheva lost this game for the Stars.

[lancerzrule]

I have to give Demko a lot of credit. He played very well in the shootout and will go a long way with his confidence and only being 16. The reason Lincoln got a little help from the Lancers in creating the Star's offense. It has been a thorn in the team's side all year turning the puck over in their own zone and letting the other team maintain pressure. It started to get ridiculous the amount of times the defensemen would pass the puck back and forth and get pressure from the Stars and lose it right to them, but credit Lincoln for creating those chances. I think Sheva had to start calling the penalties in the 2nd period as he knew he was losing control of the game. If he would have kept letting things go and not calling penalties it wouldn't have surprised me if there was another line brawl. Not impressed with McKee skating by the Lancers bench and taunting them every time he was on the ice after the play was over and Tate's actions. Somehow it works against the Stars when they play that way and when they finally decided to settle down and play they looked pretty good. Hopefully Tiitinen will be ok. As rough as it gets with these 2 teams you don't like to see any player get injured. As far as Miller goes, he's really not usually a nasty player as much as it appears that way to the Stars. I don't know if he ran the goalie intentionally or not, but Lincoln was right in Demko's crease after every play and were running into him and getting away with it. Looking forward to the last 2 games of the series.

Edited by lancerzrule, 11 February 2012 - 10:40 AM.

[Ryan]

Yeti, on 11 February 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

Heard that the hit from behind on Lincoln Teemu Tiitinen may have broken an orbital bone in his face. Concussion likely. That's another hit the Stars will remember the next time they play the Lancers I'm sure.

Stars score a goal and immediately get called for a minor during the goal celebration. What? A simple push gets called.

The incident with Tiitinen is unfortunate and I never want to see any player get hurt, but I feel this issue should be over now. They went after Babinski and Shine dropped the gloves with him for the hit. Babinski doesn't fight much, but knew he had to answer so wasn't reluctant at all to "pay the price."

I'd guess there wouldn't have been a penalty on Roy had he not been going around a few shifts before that hitting Lancer players for no reason other than that they were just standing there. He was on a partial breakaway and ended up getting taken down and wasn't happy. He got up and exchanged words with the Lancer player, then shoved him in the face. Then he skated away making it look like he was going to the bench and gave an elbow to the side of a Lancer player before circling back around to stay on the ice. Celebrate your goal and don't worry about the Lancer player near you. In the times I've seen Roy, I haven't noticed him playing as chippy as he did last night.

[Ryan]

Also want to note the beautiful passing that set up Kenney Morrison's 2nd goal. That was some of the best tic-tac-toe passing I have ever witnessed, not just at the USHL level, but any level.

[hydrogyrum]

Kind of a silly night in Muskegon Friday. Youngstown scored 3 in the first period, including one of those clever bank-it-off-the-goalie's-back-cuz-he's-not-looking shots off Stewart, our promising but young goalie. It was good experience for him, I guess, and kind of amusing.

After that, a lot of fights that didn't accomplish too much except for entertainment purposes. Our Fearless Captain left the bench during one of them, resulting in a one-game suspension. Maybe he thought he was leading the charge, but nobody followed him. I was glad to see him go (left the bench -> got on the ice -> was escorted out the door), since he's pretty much useless at this point.

[wndrkty]

hydrogyrum, on 11 February 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Kind of a silly night in Muskegon Friday. Youngstown scored 3 in the first period, including one of those clever bank-it-off-the-goalie's-back-cuz-he's-not-looking shots off Stewart, our promising but young goalie. It was good experience for him, I guess, and kind of amusing.

After that, a lot of fights that didn't accomplish too much except for entertainment purposes. Our Fearless Captain left the bench during one of them, resulting in a one-game suspension. Maybe he thought he was leading the charge, but nobody followed him. I was glad to see him go (left the bench -> got on the ice -> was escorted out the door), since he's pretty much useless at this point.

I've been wondering about Foguth. Doesn't seem to be all that great a choice as a captain. He spends more of his time suspended than he does being a role model for his teammates. It's apparent what your opinion of him was last night, but what's your opinion of him overall?

[Yeti]

Just an update on the injury to Teemu Tiitinen of the Stars. He had reconstructive surgery on his face yesterday. Sounds like the doctors put in some kind of a plate. Could be out the rest of the season.

The league looked at the hit again and increased Ken Babinski's suspension from one game to six games. Glad to see that.

[hydrogyrum]

wndrkty, on 11 February 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

I've been wondering about Foguth. Doesn't seem to be all that great a choice as a captain. He spends more of his time suspended than he does being a role model for his teammates. It's apparent what your opinion of him was last night, but what's your opinion of him overall?

At the start of the season, after the team selected him as their captain, the Muskegon Chronicle ran a profile of Foguth. It pointed out that Foguth had never been in a leadership role before--he was untried in that respect. Nothing in the article indicated that he had "the right stuff." I believe it was the same article, or one that followed shortly thereafter, that went into detail about how Foguth spent his summer learning how to box. His brother is a mixed martial arts fighter, blah blah blah. The short version of the article was that the new Lumberjacks captain spent all summer learning where to hit someone.

I don't have the time to dig up the individual gamesheets, but pointstreak says he's played in 11 games, 0 goals, 0 assists, 54 PIM. I did follow him this season to see whether he demonstrated leadership abilities. I think not, overall. On the other hand, his boxing lessons paid out splendidly, I guess you might say, if boxing were a sport conducted on ice skates.

Before the season started, I was of the opinion that the team might have made a mistake electing him their captain: he might carry the blame for his conduct, but his peers put him in the prime spot to conduct himself as he did. What was interesting recently, however, was that he resumed playing once his smushed hand healed up enough, a couple games after the team got their new coach. By this time, the team was already playing more disciplined hockey (with a few setbacks, duly noted). But he didn't seem to notice that a change in ethics had occurred and continued playing "boxey"; when he left the bench after the whistle, nobody followed him. If that wasn't a wakeup call for him, I do not know how loud a bell must be to wake him up.

My overall opinion of him is "disappointed, but not unexpectedly so."

Edited by hydrogyrum, 15 February 2012 - 11:04 PM.