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Posted 03 May 2017 - 08:22 AM

Tri City with 8 picks in the first 4 rounds.   Muckult did this a few years ago and won the cup the next year.  ...... Will be great for the fan listening to Fine call a HD feed and a Muckult creation.


You might want to check the huge turnaround of the Charlottetown Islanders this year in the QMJHL.
Then go back and see who the GM/HC was the year prior to Muckult winning the cup.
I’d also keep an eye on who has interviewed for the Florida Panthers job.

 
Well, fill in the class.



Hulton 2014-15
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Muckalt 2015-16 after the Hulton’s draft (Won Cup)

http://www.elitepros...r0=2016&status=

Muckalt 2016-17 (Last Place)

http://www.elitepros...r0=2017&status=

Take a look at the movement in 2016-17

What Hulton did this year.

http://charlottetown...eries-vs-armada

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 08:24 AM

All I know is Jay Varady seemed very happy about the draft during his radio interview yesterday afternoon on 620AM in Sioux City.  Probably not a good sign for the rest of the league.



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 09:00 AM

All I know is Jay Varady seemed very happy about the draft during his radio interview yesterday afternoon on 620AM in Sioux City.  Probably not a good sign for the rest of the league.

 

What HC or GM isn't going to say they were happy with their draft?



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 09:20 AM

They all do.  But listening to what he was saying, it kind of echoes what I am reading on this board.  He was surprised when players that were high on their board kept falling to them.  Reading here, there were posters kind of wondering why some players were being drafted.  I'm guessing Jay was thinking the same thing as players he wanted kept falling to him.



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 09:43 AM

Any impressions on how Muskegon did in this draft?

I followed the draft on their twitter page and looked up the guys in eliteprospects... seems like they got a few good ones.

Also what do you think about them trading their 1st round pick for 3 players?



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 10:31 AM

They all do.  But listening to what he was saying, it kind of echoes what I am reading on this board.  He was surprised when players that were high on their board kept falling to them.  Reading here, there were posters kind of wondering why some players were being drafted.  I'm guessing Jay was thinking the same thing as players he wanted kept falling to him.


I like his draft he should be happy, it ain't science, but it is an art form, keep an eye on Martin Pospisil.

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 12:54 PM

Serious question, why is Sam Huff in the first round a baffling pick for Waterloo. I have never seen him play. Just looking at the numbers it seems like a solid pick to me. Good size, over 2 points a game in MN, committed to Minnesota, rated 131 by central scouting,captain of high school team, plus not expect at Minny until 2018 or 2019.

I should have been more clear on this as I was referring to their Phase I pick, Patrick Guzzo. Sorry for the confusion on that, I was making a general overall comment in regard to ML's comment but can see since this the Phase II thread how that would not be clear. I was surprised that Waterloo took Guzzo with a first round selection in Phase I. Having seen him play a high number of times I can certainly see a team taking him but to me that seems early based on what I have watched.



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 01:33 PM

Omaha fans - I see Josh Mervis is making another tour of duty in the USHL as a partner in your organization.  Any idea on how much influence he had in the recent drafts?  I always thought he put good teams on the ice when he was in Muskegon.  



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 03:35 PM

Omaha fans - I see Josh Mervis is making another tour of duty in the USHL as a partner in your organization.  Any idea on how much influence he had in the recent drafts?  I always thought he put good teams on the ice when he was in Muskegon.  


I also seen that on Twitter! I agree with your statement about the teams he put together in Muskegon!

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 05:29 PM



 



The draft never stops amazing me.  Kids not drafted who should be and kids drafted who don't have a chance.  Just amazing.  When I see a player I know really well who might end up being a third line NAHL player some day, taken in this draft, but a kid already talking to D-1 programs not drafted, I have to scratch my head.  

The USHL draft absolutely floors me every year. This is where you can see how many more resources CHL teams put into scouting than the USHL. Some of these picks amaze me. Waterloo's first round pick baffles me along with a number of others. I agree ML, this whole process with the USHL is puzzling. And I won't even go into my rant on the NTDP.......lol.

 

 

 

Drocks, you too ML, wondering if you could share a little compare and contrast the scouting departments of Major Junior and the USHL.    This is something USHL fans would be very interested in, I know I am. 

 

Do you think USHL teams rely on a players' coach and networking than having eyes on a kid say 10 times before drafting him? 


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 05:42 PM

Any impressions on how Muskegon did in this draft?

I followed the draft on their twitter page and looked up the guys in eliteprospects... seems like they got a few good ones.

Also what do you think about them trading their 1st round pick for 3 players?

 

I'm swamped but when I get through the Steel draft first thing I'll do is see what your guy Scott Bradford has to say.  Love his informed call of Jack games but it was his LEAGUE wide analysis of ALL the trade deadline moves that moved him way up in my book.   He gets paid to do Jack work but this guy has it in his blood, he's genuinely curious paid or not.

 

What I'm saying is Bradford will, if he hasn't already, break down the Jack draft in a professional way.  Plus you have Opfermann at Mlive and the two guys at LSJ, who I see have something about the trade.    http://localsportsjo...op-draft-picks/

 

 

A lot at Mlive, too:  http://www.mlive.com/lumberjacks/


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 05:44 PM

Thats a tough comparison to make.  Some organizations are really good at scouting.  Since Mervis was mentioned today I can tell you that working with his organization has always been like working with an NHL team.  Scouting budgets were huge, and scouts always followed up on leads.  Trips to Europe and all over North America were always the norm.  Those organizations and their operating structure are second only to NHL teams.

 

Some Major Junior teams are the same.  A lot of those teams though rely on AAA coaches for their input.  The OHL is very active in the HPHL and Tier 1 leagues.  The even sponsor some showcase events now.  Largely though Major Junior scouting is a limited pay or non paid position with guys trying to work into organizations.  Because Major Junior leagues have their scouting territory limited by CHL agreements, they are confined, yet that makes scouting easier for them.

 

In general the USHL has no scouting constraints because they have no competition.  Thats the big difference and a big advantage IMO.  The USHL though does play too many politics in many cases.  It is arguably more political than Major Junior now.  USHL teams are only limited by their own financial constraints and personnel.


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 05:48 PM

Mlive   Lumberjacks deal first-round pick for three players in blockbuster draft-day deal


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 06:04 PM

Thats a tough comparison to make.  Some organizations are really good at scouting.  Since Mervis was mentioned today I can tell you that working with his organization has always been like working with an NHL team.  Scouting budgets were huge, and scouts always followed up on leads.  Trips to Europe and all over North America were always the norm.  Those organizations and their operating structure are second only to NHL teams.

 

Some Major Junior teams are the same.  A lot of those teams though rely on AAA coaches for their input.  The OHL is very active in the HPHL and Tier 1 leagues.  The even sponsor some showcase events now.  Largely though Major Junior scouting is a limited pay or non paid position with guys trying to work into organizations.  Because Major Junior leagues have their scouting territory limited by CHL agreements, they are confined, yet that makes scouting easier for them.

 

In general the USHL has no scouting constraints because they have no competition.  Thats the big difference and a big advantage IMO.  The USHL though does play too many politics in many cases.  It is arguably more political than Major Junior now.  USHL teams are only limited by their own financial constraints and personnel.

 

 

Thank you, ML.   Very helpful.   Man the world is a big place when you're bringing in kids from all over Europe, the former Soviet Union (kinda Europe kinda Asia) and  North America.   I have to believe as far as the USHL goes networking, coaches and contacts all over the world, is probably most important followed by the scouting itself, no?   You just can't have that many bodies as a junior operation on so many continents to find players under the radar, no?

 

And as you mention scouting is restricted only by your own budget in the USHL.   That's where, as well as paying top coaches, you can get an advantage, a big one IMO.  ML check out the list of Steel hockey ops and their listed scouting staff.   That has to rank with most any junior team in this or any other league, no?  http://www.chicagost...es-hockey-staff


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 06:29 PM

Any impressions on how Muskegon did in this draft?

I followed the draft on their twitter page and looked up the guys in eliteprospects... seems like they got a few good ones.

Also what do you think about them trading their 1st round pick for 3 players?

Muskegon made out very well in their trade with Tri-City. They're bringing in a couple seasoned USHL players in Bongiovanni and Graham, plus another player who started seeing ice time with the Storm this season. "Bon Jovi" is no doubt the player in the trade; he'll fit in nicely among the top six. Graham and Bendorf will also get in and do work, but probably more so as depth players. That said, '17-'18 will be Graham's third year in the league, so he could step up to be a big contributor too. 



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 06:49 PM

 

Muskegon took Dylan st.cry but isn't he going to notre dame in the fall?

 

Not if Cal Petersen decides to not sign in Buffalo.

 

Peterson does NOT have to sign with buffalo and will 100% be an UFA on June 1st 2017 ( this year ).

 

95% certain he notified Buffalo that he is no longer a full time NCAA student which makes him an UFA 30 days later or June 1st ( because of his age and when he was drafted )

 

See Mike Reilly of Wild,  same situation 2 years ago


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:11 PM

 

Any impressions on how Muskegon did in this draft?

I followed the draft on their twitter page and looked up the guys in eliteprospects... seems like they got a few good ones.

Also what do you think about them trading their 1st round pick for 3 players?

Muskegon made out very well in their trade with Tri-City. They're bringing in a couple seasoned USHL players in Bongiovanni and Graham, plus another player who started seeing ice time with the Storm this season. "Bon Jovi" is no doubt the player in the trade; he'll fit in nicely among the top six. Graham and Bendorf will also get in and do work, but probably more so as depth players. That said, '17-'18 will be Graham's third year in the league, so he could step up to be a big contributor too. 

 

3rd team in 2 seasons doesn't sound an alarm to anyone?



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:30 PM

This is kind of a double post but I totally finished all of the Steel's Phase II if anyone is interested.

 

 

 

 

Steel Phase II

 

Steel Site   Steel Phase I and II draft recap

Rd 1 pick 2,  Jonathan Dugan    Center, 98.   Ranked by Central Scouting 108th NA skaters for 2017 draft:   http://www.elitepros...p?player=345694

 

Rd 1 14th pick,   Derek Schaedig Goalie, 98.   Played with Janesville Jets this year.  http://www.elitepros...p?player=436851

 

Rd 2 14th pick, CJ Walker Forward 99.  http://www.elitepros...p?player=283592

 

Rd 3 14th pick, Matej Pekar Forward 2000  Represented the Czech national team:  http://www.elitepros...p?player=271642

 

Rd 5 7th pick, John Dahlstrom LW 97.  This kid has played internationally for Sveeeeeden since he was 16, drafted by the Chicago Blackhawks in the 7th round in 2015 and put up 59 points in 63 games for Medicine Hat of the WHL this year:   http://www.elitepros...p?player=212530

 

Rd 6 15th pick, Liam Gorman, center, 2000.   Also drafted in the 8th round of the QMJHL draft in 2016.   http://www.elitepros...p?player=364228

 

Rd 7 1st pick, Jack Clement, Dman, 99.   Dman put up 48 points in 29 HS games this year at 6ft 3in 175lbs.   http://www.elitepros...p?player=201498

 

Rd 8 3rd pick, Alex Pollock, LW, 99.   Played 8 NAHL games after Minnesota HS this year and put up 5 points.  http://www.elitepros...p?player=201526

 

Rd 8 14th pick, Austin Magera, center, 98. Georgia boy (there's some scouting) and a Sacred Heart Commit.   http://www.elitepros...p?player=354882

 

Rd 10 14th pick, Tim Clifton, RW, 98.  Invited and played in the OHL Cup in 13/14 and put up 17 points in 17 games this year in the AYHL.   http://www.elitepros...p?player=291856

 

Rd 12 14th pick, Robbie Stucker, Dman, 98.  As a Dman put up 40 points in 25 HS games this year, drafted by Waterloo and Bloomington in previous years, is ranked 88th on Central Scouting's list for NA skaters for this year's NHL draft, Colorado College commit.   http://www.elitepros...p?player=300993

 

Rd 13 14th pick, Maxwell Newton, C/LW, 97.   Canadian boy, 153 BCHL games including 59 points in 58 BCHL games this year.  http://www.elitepros...p?player=277350

 

Rd 14 14th pick, Ty Amonte, RW, 98.  Two games with the NTDP U-18's in 15/16 and 37 points in 58 games for Penticon of the BCHL this year, his pops is Tony Amonte, Boston U commit.   http://www.elitepros...p?player=300928

 

Rd 15 14th pick, Christophe Fillion, forward, 2000.  Played HS up in Canada and came down to play 65 games for Iowa Wild U-16's this year:  http://www.elitepros...p?player=376630

 

Rd 16 14th pick, Michael Posma, center, a December 2001.  Invited and played in the OHL Cup this year:  http://www.elitepros...p?player=406422

 

 

 


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:38 PM

 

 

Muskegon took Dylan st.cry but isn't he going to notre dame in the fall?

 

Not if Cal Petersen decides to not sign in Buffalo.

 

Peterson does NOT have to sign with buffalo and will 100% be an UFA on June 1st 2017 ( this year ).

 

95% certain he notified Buffalo that he is no longer a full time NCAA student which makes him an UFA 30 days later or June 1st ( because of his age and when he was drafted )

 

See Mike Reilly of Wild,  same situation 2 years ago

 

If Botterill becomes GM in Buffalo as I am hearing will happen.  Look for that to change and the Muskegon pick to have been wasted.


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:56 PM

Thats a tough comparison to make.  Some organizations are really good at scouting.  Since Mervis was mentioned today I can tell you that working with his organization has always been like working with an NHL team.  Scouting budgets were huge, and scouts always followed up on leads.  Trips to Europe and all over North America were always the norm.  Those organizations and their operating structure are second only to NHL teams.
 
Some Major Junior teams are the same.  A lot of those teams though rely on AAA coaches for their input.  The OHL is very active in the HPHL and Tier 1 leagues.  The even sponsor some showcase events now.  Largely though Major Junior scouting is a limited pay or non paid position with guys trying to work into organizations.  Because Major Junior leagues have their scouting territory limited by CHL agreements, they are confined, yet that makes scouting easier for them.
 
In general the USHL has no scouting constraints because they have no competition.  Thats the big difference and a big advantage IMO.  The USHL though does play too many politics in many cases.  It is arguably more political than Major Junior now.  USHL teams are only limited by their own financial constraints and personnel.


Now that post is real funny! Rely on AAA Coaches...you are kidding right? Every CHL team "is very active in Tier I leagues all of them and they can scout any league but are limited to the States and Provinces they can draft and list from.



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