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MadhouseOnHickman    0
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My apologies Jimi, I don't think you are a drama starter. Interesting items to talk about for sure. Hopefully owmership does more for the fans, they deserve so much better.

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Maiden    2
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Let's not forget the Wild ownership is heavily involved in a possible team for Kenosha, WI.

I don't see the Wild being players in any Buccaneer development. Possibly the Buccaneers relocate to Kenosha once that arena is built (if ever).

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Let's not forget the Wild ownership is heavily involved in a possible team for Kenosha, WI.

I don't see the Wild being players in any Buccaneer development. Possibly the Buccaneers relocate to Kenosha once that arena is built (if ever).

I do not see the Buccaneers relocating, coming off their best season since 2007. Things could be on rise if they keep winning.

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As I said earlier a lot of this is still up in the air. I would think even if the USHL took over control, that they just can not yank ownership. I would have to think there is a franchise agreement somewhere that would not let that happen. Imagine just taking a team away from owners, and the owners are just out.

 

As far as the bucs ever playing DT, I am not sure that will ever happen. I think a lot happens on the ownership side before that will ever be considered. Meaning that if the league took over operations, but could not get a deal with the arena Pelids own, then maybe. The biggest reason I could see is the availability of open dates. Global spectrum manages WFA and they are doing a great job. It is quite a busy place. I would guess they do as much as they can to stagger out venues thereto give them time to convert it to what ever sport is in need.

 

Every year it seems like they are converting it more often, for sporting events that are stacked on top of each other. I just could not imagine they could accommodate that many more events.

 

This is the first I have heard of the group and WDM doing a study.

 

 

 

This topic can be a bit difficult to follow, at least for me. Help me out, Jim.

 

What is DT? What is the purpose of the study WDM (West Des Moines?) is doing? WFA is Wells Fargo Arena? Bucs Arena is in downtown Des Moines proper?

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II am sorry I kind of derailed this thread a little. The returners threads are kind of focusing on individual teams, and that is why I put it here.

 

I too have heard rumors and such for years, and you can just kind of take them as you want. They will always be around no matter.

 

Lets look at what current ownership have done since being here.

 

For a long time, opening a coaching carousel thread ment that you were most likely going to see DM mentioned. There has been so many coaches through here it is actually hard to keep track. Some went on to do better things and some have not. Not all were bad coaches.

 

We now have a coach entering his third year. I am not so sure that it was any kind of recruiting being done by the organization, as much as a coach finding a job that he was happy with. He has lived here, and one thing he said after being hired was he would get to see his family so much more. It certainly did not hurt that he has the kind of resume he does. I think for him though, he seen what has happened, and I am sure he done as much as he could to help him succeed before ever taking the job. You would have to think most coaches talk, and I am sure he knew going in what he was getting into.

 

They have bought the ground under the arena. Blessing or curse, I do not know. If you recall there was plans floating about an upgraded arena. Much of that stemmed from the city wanting to get investment for themselves. Once the ground was bought, no need to satisfy the city.

 

While owning an arena is likely way more complicated than any of will ever know, they have done some upgrades. It was in no way perfect, but they have done some things. If I recall they have put in AC, installed new ice making units, a few remodels of locker rooms and bathrooms, sprinkler system. It is not like they have done nothing, and I am sure some of these cost plenty to do.

 

They have never really played well with others. Pretty much cut ties with metro west, even fired some staff that found them self in the middle of that. Have never really partnered with the other hockey team in town for much of anything.

 

Ticket prices. As a STH you buy them as early as you can to get the best pricing. It seems like that gets earlier every year. The perks for buying ST has dropped considerably. It also seems like every game there is ticket specials to be had. Get them a week early and get a discount, black friday sales, the list goes on. I have never actually tracked it, but I bet you could take advantage of most of the specials, and spend less than a STH if you went to many games.

 

Concessions have went up, and the product quality did not follow. We all have bought concessions, and you just kind of know what to expect, but it is junior hockey, not some pro level event. Getting your nachos in a bag, and a bottle of pop for $10 doesn't cut it. Also consider that there less places to buy those products. Last year during the play off game there was two food stands open, and two drink stations open.

 

I get it times change and prices need to go up, but the entertainment dollar can be spent in so many other ways. Those running establishments, that are trying to get that dollar, need to be doing things to make it easier to spend it. Making it easier to want to spend it, and keep them coming back, to spend it over and over.

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Wells Fargo Arena is downtown Des Moines. It was built by the county and to replace an aging auditorium. At the time it was built the hockey was the tenant of choice. I have to say that the county did not get a very good managment group in there in the beginning, and it showed. It lost millions every year. The hockey has always been AHL affiliated. The first round of hockey was the chops and they had a few teams they were affiliated with. The owner if I recall got into trouble with the league over borrowing money and using the team as collateral.

 

I think the league pretty much shut them down. Now the county had a new building, with no major tenant and a management company that was not doing so well. All on the taxpayers. Sure indoor football, and basketball leagues have come in, but no hockey.

 

That has certainly changed. The county brought in Global Spectrum to manage it. A few years later the Wild decided to relocated here and it has taken off. The last I heard there was something like 90 days that the arena did not have something going on. They are now building a five star hotel next door, that will do doubt help them even more. They county has hit it out of the park, and it is actually returning money to the taxpayers now

 

Des moines as a city is pretty much land locked by suburbs. While DM is not growing much, the suburbs are growing fast. I know the suburbs of DM are making the lists of the fastest growing towns in Iowa, and many are making the list on a national level. Having said that you can still travel across the metro in minutes and not hours, just about any time.

 

The Bucs arena is in a suburb, but just blocks from the city of DM. I would suspect like many older structures that it was built in the middle of no where at the time and through growth, it has pretty much found itself in the city. The bucs arena is on the far east side of Urbandale, which is suburb along with several others, that are growing west very fast. West Des Moines is also a suburb in the western edge.

 

I am not real sure about the study, and to be honest this is the first I have heard of it. I am not surprised really that it s happening. Most of the names associated with it, have been involved in the hockey community for a long time. I have seen many studies, and much of them go no where. Some do.

 

As far as the reason for it I am not sure You know about as much as me. IMO most studies are done by people that have a passion for what they love and looking for a reason to spread that passion. I have never put much faith in one to be honest. Most are done biased to what is being studied. Have you ever heard of one coming back saying it would be a total failure to proceed any further.

 

That is why I mentioned how much skin in the game the city of WDM has. If it is just enough to satisfy a passionate group of people. Possibly donors to some political process. Politicians always have that little fund that they can use for well what ever they want and this maybe one of those.

 

For all I know WDM has been looking at something like this. Maybe they approached this group about getting together and helping them get it off the ground. Maybe it has sort of been some thing the city wanted to explore. I really have no idea.

 

My opinion only. But I would suspect it is a group of people very passionate about the sport of hockey, and seeing where it is headed in the metro. Maybe finally got some politician to see where they are coming form and willing to pacify them. Good or bad.

 

Going out on a limb, I would say that some of those people were around when bucs hockey was sort of a volunteer organization. Long before there were actual owners. I suppose they may feel that bucs hockey is not going the direction that they would like to see, and with no means to change it.

 

All in all I really do not know what could come of it. Are they doing it, for the existing team. Even then would current ownership want to locate in a building they would just be a tenant. I would think if any money is going to be spent, current ownership would spend it on something he owns.

 

That brings up to what league would play there if any. It seems they are looking at a few thousand seat arena. That would look like they would get a team to be housed there. Sounds a little much for ice skating and adult & youth hockey. Not sure what other leagues could be looking. I suppose the area high school league, not sure about any leagues further up the chain. Not even real sure the metro is big enough to support another venue.

 

I think the USHL finds themselves in a pretty unique situation. Their hands are kind of tied to do anything. Really that has been discussed. I would suspect if current ownership does just good enough to keep the league some what happy, what choices does the league have. I would say I think it would have to hit an all time low, to transfer ownership of a team with in a city.

 

I think DM is absolutely important to the USHL. For many reasons already given. I could see them keeping abreast of anything going on with inside and outside of of bucs hockey, in the area.

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The group involved in the study in West Des Moines is, indeed, a group passionate about hockey. I know almost all of them. The amount of time this has taken has seemed glacial; but, everyone is trying. Hearing about different potential ownership groups for the Bucs has been interesting; but, it's my understanding all of that has fallen through with things not being able to move forward with this proposed arena in West Des Moines, which really needed a new ownership group for the Bucs to really gain some momentum. It's kind of a vicious cycle and now, here we are, with a feasibility study and fundraising efforts. It's going to take a miracle (I lost Powerball again). Although I'd be more passionate about donating to West Virginia University/Morgantown for a new rink, donating to Waldorf/Forest City for a new rink (Waldorf will have scholarshipped hockey players starting next year), and owning a Federal Hockey League team or two, Des Moines just needs this so bad I'd put down the money and just get it over with if my jackpot were big enough. Iowa State Cyclone Hockey would obviously get some, too.

 

It was about 20 years ago the Metro Ice opened based on the money donated and raised by a number of hockey parents. Interestingly, none of their sons even play hockey anymore (not men's league, not anything). It only took about 10 years for it to go to Hades... The last 10 years have been rough.

 

Kenosha: That's not the Minnesota Wild as a company doing that, it's one particular owner. I'd argue that it's different.

 

Arena in downtown Des Moines or anywhere Des Moines proper: Not the route I'd go. Put it out in the suburbs where people are that can afford to go and spend a lot less time than going all the way downtown. Going downtown is fun and you can make it a day doing things and then going to the hockey game; but, that's what the Wild are for. I wouldn't want to compete for the same experience with the Wild. The location the group is looking at is pretty quick for people in West Des Moines, Waukee, Clive, Johnston, and Grimes to get to; but also Norwalk and even Winterset. Put a rink like that near the interstate on the south side of WDM like they're looking at doing, and suddenly playing hockey becomes truly feasible for kids from Madison County. My son played with a kid from Winterset and it was a heck of a drive to come up to Metro Ice to play mite hockey and then go back home. This would cut that time in half. If the proposed facility can have free parking like Cedar Rapids offers, you're going to get a lot of west-suburban families who, on a Friday night, don't have the time to drive from work downtown back to Waukee (or wherever out West) and then drive right back downtown after picking up the kids and the spouse. You'll get a lot more young families going and that's where the growth is. Yes, the Bucs have their dedicated core at the old arena; but, they aren't getting many new fans. Construct something on par with what Cedar Rapids or Omaha has and people will most certainly come. I can't bring my four-year-old daughter to Buc Arena for a game. She'll probably get some sort of flesh-eating disease.

 

Both rinks in Des Moines: Home Depot sells these things called mop buckets and mops (the flooring in both arenas is so cheap that you can't use one of those nice machines every other arena uses on their active flooring--the ones that actually have wall-to-wall active flooring and not hundreds of sporadic squares). Neither arena keeps the locker rooms clean. No effort whatsoever. It's because they both always have skeleton crews. It's very, very common for it to only be the zamboni driver at both places. It's hard for one person to do everything. It also allows a lot of people to get onto the ice and not pay. Compare that to Ames, where, after a Cyclone Hockey game, they have four workers cleaning. It's an everyday thing there and it shows. The Ames/ISU Ice Arena, even after a mite tournament on a slushy day, is cleaner that Buc or Metro ever get these days. It becomes a vicious cycle, too, because when the ice users detect the rink doesn't seem to care, they care less and less about making any effort to keep it clean.

 

Transfer of ownership: I guarantee that if this new rink happens, the Bucs will never play in it with the current ownership. I don't personally have a problem with the current ownership; but, I just know this to be the case. At the current pace in Buc Arena, the Bucs are going to have to drop down to being an NA3HL team. I mean, how much money can the Peleds lose with their current attendance?

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Mr Ricochet    3
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Kwey you should be behind a paywall. Nicely done, sir.........

 

So Jim was spot on with what he was hearing, at least in a round about way? That at least some heavy hitters think Buc hockey at Buc Arena is stagnant at best with little to no future as is?

 

The feasibility study in WDM. Was this paid for by the city, which should be public record, or privately?

 

And your reporting shows that chances are better than not that an arena would be built in WDM if they were assured a USHL club? Or I'm off on that assumption?

 

Knowing little about Des Moines I googled it. This place is booming as are many USHL cities in the Midwest. 600k+ in the metro area. The top 5 growing cities in the Midwest are USHL cities: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2017/03/23/des-moines-fastest-growing-city-midwest-census-says/99502922/

 

Lil ole USHL geographically is positioned nicely in the Midwest.

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Well there is a lot of truth to the last few posts.

 

Mr. R the best thing about the metro area is it is nothing like larger cities. You can drive around the whole area in 45 minutes.

 

A few things about the WDM study. It would be interesting to know just how much the city is throwing at it. Is it something they are chasing, or are they just appealing to a passionate group of people. Even if they deem, lets go for it, how far can they go, on the concept. Any arena that has 3-4k seats, you would think should have a hockey tenant anchoring it. Who would that be?

 

Even if they have targeted a place to build it, those western suburbs are growing fast, could you see any of them setting aside land for such a thing. Unless they were behind it. If they were behind it, how much of it would sort of be for the people of the city, meaning skate nights and such. Think of it as a large park that has a skating rink. Remember while they are listening to a few people bending their ear about hockey, they have a whole bunch of taxpayers they are accountable to.

 

Fundraising $15m+ is a monumental task. Even if WDM says yes, how long does that take? They had better be prepared to hit the ground running if it goes through. I just do not think the group is prepared for that.

 

Krouse that owns the Kum&Gos, also owns the DM Menace soccer team. They have shopped places to build a soccer stadium every where in the metro. The last one even threw in working with the Barnstorms indoor football team for a practice facility, has went no where. This guy is prepared to write a check for it and it has not happened.

 

As big as the metro is you can still commute rather easily. The same family complaining about the commute for juniors mite practice, likely has no problem coming to the core for events like the Iowa Cubs, Barnstormer football, farmers market, Iowa energy, or all of the festivals that take place in the DT streets. They likely do not even think twice about going to adventureland or the Iowa State Fair. To say that it should be in the western suburbs is pushing it. It could be located anywhere if it is needed.

 

I would agree with your comments about Bucs ownership. There is no way they will ever play a game at a different venue. Much of what you say of the arena is true, but it the very basic stuff that they are not doing right. If they can not accomplish any of that on their own, why would any one want them to be a part of any thing else.

 

Whether it comes back, in favor of or not, is likely a good thing. It shows that others are thinking about hockey. it also shows that they are trying to do something about it. I would bet, current ownership likely is not even in any of the conversations.

 

When you look at everything that has went on you can just kind of see what is going on. It reminds me of when I was a little kid. We had a neighborhood kid that his parents owned an open property. He had a worn out old tennis ball, and a hunk of wood we used for a bat. The neighborhood kids would play there. His rules, his equipment and his field. It was actually great fun. It was not long though, and we came up with actual bats and baseballs. We walked a few blocks to the park and started playing there. Funny how the kid just sat on his porch and watched us go by.

 

The bucs ownership had better look at what is happening around them. The had better start looking at what they have and what is could be. Make what they have the best it can be.

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Mr Ricochet    3
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Well there is a lot of truth to the last few posts.

 

Mr. R the best thing about the metro area is it is nothing like larger cities. You can drive around the whole area in 45 minutes.

 

A few things about the WDM study. It would be interesting to know just how much the city is throwing at it. Is it something they are chasing, or are they just appealing to a passionate group of people. Even if they deem, lets go for it, how far can they go, on the concept. Any arena that has 3-4k seats, you would think should have a hockey tenant anchoring it. Who would that be?

 

Even if they have targeted a place to build it, those western suburbs are growing fast, could you see any of them setting aside land for such a thing. Unless they were behind it. If they were behind it, how much of it would sort of be for the people of the city, meaning skate nights and such. Think of it as a large park that has a skating rink. Remember while they are listening to a few people bending their ear about hockey, they have a whole bunch of taxpayers they are accountable to.

 

Fundraising $15m+ is a monumental task. Even if WDM says yes, how long does that take? They had better be prepared to hit the ground running if it goes through. I just do not think the group is prepared for that.

 

Krouse that owns the Kum&Gos, also owns the DM Menace soccer team. They have shopped places to build a soccer stadium every where in the metro. The last one even threw in working with the Barnstorms indoor football team for a practice facility, has went no where. This guy is prepared to write a check for it and it has not happened.

 

As big as the metro is you can still commute rather easily. The same family complaining about the commute for juniors mite practice, likely has no problem coming to the core for events like the Iowa Cubs, Barnstormer football, farmers market, Iowa energy, or all of the festivals that take place in the DT streets. They likely do not even think twice about going to adventureland or the Iowa State Fair. To say that it should be in the western suburbs is pushing it. It could be located anywhere if it is needed.

 

I would agree with your comments about Bucs ownership. There is no way they will ever play a game at a different venue. Much of what you say of the arena is true, but it the very basic stuff that they are not doing right. If they can not accomplish any of that on their own, why would any one want them to be a part of any thing else.

 

Whether it comes back, in favor of or not, is likely a good thing. It shows that others are thinking about hockey. it also shows that they are trying to do something about it. I would bet, current ownership likely is not even in any of the conversations.

 

When you look at everything that has went on you can just kind of see what is going on. It reminds me of when I was a little kid. We had a neighborhood kid that his parents owned an open property. He had a worn out old tennis ball, and a hunk of wood we used for a bat. The neighborhood kids would play there. His rules, his equipment and his field. It was actually great fun. It was not long though, and we came up with actual bats and baseballs. We walked a few blocks to the park and started playing there. Funny how the kid just sat on his porch and watched us go by.

 

The bucs ownership had better look at what is happening around them. The had better start looking at what they have and what is could be. Make what they have the best it can be.

 

Wow. This guys wants to write a check for a new arena and it ain't happening? Land is that scarce or that particular city doesn't want the problems and arena may bring despite the tax dollars being generated?

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Jim: I would argue heavily against the rink being "anywhere." Remember, there will be other ice users using this rink. Most of them live in West Des Moines, Waukee, Johnston, Grimes, Clive, and Urbandale. (I say this not to leave Ankeny out of the equation.) Why put a hockey arena downtown or almost anywhere in Des Moines proper and make almost everybody drive further for their kids to play? A facility that's going to house the Bucs is also the facility that's going to house youth hockey, adult hockey, figure skating, and other potential ice users. So, when considering the location, one should not just consider what works for Bucs fans, but one should also more strongly consider the convenience of the other ice users. These are the people who are going to be using the arena three times or more per week. So, we need to make it so that the figure skaters can be brought to the rink and to school on time. Having it in Des Moines proper does not accomplish that (note to everyone: there is a figure skating group that uses Metro most every morning). Maybe there's two city blocks near the Fairgrounds that can be condemned, demolished, and have a rink put up--but, nobody who actually use the arena as an ice user lives there. Just like putting it near Evelyn Davis Park would be pointless. In reality, a rink in the west metro is the most convenient for ice users and the growth of the Bucs' fan base.

 

In reality, the DM metro needs two new facilities. The two-sheet facility we're discussing in West Des Moines and then another close to Ankeny. Whether it's actually in Ankeny, I don't know. A rink close to Grand View would be fit the bill, and that might actually be in Des Moines proper. It would allow Grand View to add ice hockey (and the NAIA has varsity hockey through the ACHA now) and you'd have the Des Moines Capitols (high school club) and the Des Moines Oak Leafs (high school club) figure out who plays in the new facility in WDM and who plays in the new facility near the East mix master. One team would be comprised of kids from Ankeny, Altoona, Bondurant, etc. and the other would be comprised of kids from the western metro. In such situation, Johnston could go either way--the near high school will be nearly equidistant from both rinks. Considering Norwalk would be in the sphere for the WDM rink, maybe the Johnston and even the Urbandale kids play for the team at the hypothetical rink near the east mix master. I'd argue making what I'll call the East Facility a two-sheeter with two rinks that seat 1,000 people (basically, two sheets that duplicate the lone sheet in Ames). One sheet would be the practice facility for the Iowa Wild and then also the sheet that the Iowa Wild AAA uses. It'd also be the sheet where opposing AHL teams practice. You'd keep that sheet pretty busy with the AHL and AAA Wild using it and it would be a location that would make it very easy for the AHL Wild to transport gear from the practice arena to Wells Fargo Arena. The other sheet would be for a hypothetical Grand View team and the Caps or Oak Leafs (whichever high school team operates from the East side). That sheet would also be the one used by other ice user groups, too. You'd have the Turkey Cup on the Bucs sheet at the WDM facility (for those who don't know, this a game played around Thanksgiving each year between the Oak Leafs and Capitols that is very well-attended).

 

All of what I propse would also mean that, most likely, the two current facilities close. So be it.

 

I would strongly recommend the WDM facility to have the second rink seat about 1,000 people. This would allow it to accommodate high school games and allow for Des Moines to potential host the Fall Classic again, at least occasionally. You have a 4,000-seater and a 1,000-seater and you can easily accommodate the Fall Classic. I also recommend 1,000 because that gives you enough rows to have a concourse high enough to have a good vantage point for online streaming of games, be it from the Fall Classic or anything else. Having gone around and broadcast from numerous ACHA rinks, I can tell you which ones work and which don't. Ames, other than that darn net that runs the length of the stands, is perfect.

 

Just need a spare $50 million dollars to make it all happen...

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Jim: I would argue heavily against the rink being "anywhere." Remember, there will be other ice users using this rink. Most of them live in West Des Moines, Waukee, Johnston, Grimes, Clive, and Urbandale. (I say this not to leave Ankeny out of the equation.) Why put a hockey arena downtown or almost anywhere in Des Moines proper and make almost everybody drive further for their kids to play? A facility that's going to house the Bucs is also the facility that's going to house youth hockey, adult hockey, figure skating, and other potential ice users. So, when considering the location, one should not just consider what works for Bucs fans, but one should also more strongly consider the convenience of the other ice users. These are the people who are going to be using the arena three times or more per week. So, we need to make it so that the figure skaters can be brought to the rink and to school on time. Having it in Des Moines proper does not accomplish that (note to everyone: there is a figure skating group that uses Metro most every morning). Maybe there's two city blocks near the Fairgrounds that can be condemned, demolished, and have a rink put up--but, nobody who actually use the arena as an ice user lives there. Just like putting it near Evelyn Davis Park would be pointless. In reality, a rink in the west metro is the most convenient for ice users and the growth of the Bucs' fan base.

 

In reality, the DM metro needs two new facilities. The two-sheet facility we're discussing in West Des Moines and then another close to Ankeny. Whether it's actually in Ankeny, I don't know. A rink close to Grand View would be fit the bill, and that might actually be in Des Moines proper. It would allow Grand View to add ice hockey (and the NAIA has varsity hockey through the ACHA now) and you'd have the Des Moines Capitols (high school club) and the Des Moines Oak Leafs (high school club) figure out who plays in the new facility in WDM and who plays in the new facility near the East mix master. One team would be comprised of kids from Ankeny, Altoona, Bondurant, etc. and the other would be comprised of kids from the western metro. In such situation, Johnston could go either way--the near high school will be nearly equidistant from both rinks. Considering Norwalk would be in the sphere for the WDM rink, maybe the Johnston and even the Urbandale kids play for the team at the hypothetical rink near the east mix master. I'd argue making what I'll call the East Facility a two-sheeter with two rinks that seat 1,000 people (basically, two sheets that duplicate the lone sheet in Ames). One sheet would be the practice facility for the Iowa Wild and then also the sheet that the Iowa Wild AAA uses. It'd also be the sheet where opposing AHL teams practice. You'd keep that sheet pretty busy with the AHL and AAA Wild using it and it would be a location that would make it very easy for the AHL Wild to transport gear from the practice arena to Wells Fargo Arena. The other sheet would be for a hypothetical Grand View team and the Caps or Oak Leafs (whichever high school team operates from the East side). That sheet would also be the one used by other ice user groups, too. You'd have the Turkey Cup on the Bucs sheet at the WDM facility (for those who don't know, this a game played around Thanksgiving each year between the Oak Leafs and Capitols that is very well-attended).

 

All of what I propse would also mean that, most likely, the two current facilities close. So be it.

 

I would strongly recommend the WDM facility to have the second rink seat about 1,000 people. This would allow it to accommodate high school games and allow for Des Moines to potential host the Fall Classic again, at least occasionally. You have a 4,000-seater and a 1,000-seater and you can easily accommodate the Fall Classic. I also recommend 1,000 because that gives you enough rows to have a concourse high enough to have a good vantage point for online streaming of games, be it from the Fall Classic or anything else. Having gone around and broadcast from numerous ACHA rinks, I can tell you which ones work and which don't. Ames, other than that darn net that runs the length of the stands, is perfect.

 

Just need a spare $50 million dollars to make it all happen...

No way the Bucs move unless ownership sells, I have heard they are asking way over what they are valued at.

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MadhouseonHickman: To add to the intrigue, I heard a rumor that the USHL has assumed control of the team. That's not confirmed; but, it would definitely throw things for a loop if true.

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MadhouseonHickman: To add to the intrigue, I heard a rumor that the USHL has assumed control of the team. That's not confirmed; but, it would definitely throw things for a loop if true.

I'm assuming you heard this from adult league?

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MadhouseonHickman: To add to the intrigue, I heard a rumor that the USHL has assumed control of the team. That's not confirmed; but, it would definitely throw things for a loop if true.

I'm assuming you heard this from adult league?

 

Don't discount what you hear from the men's league guys. Of all groups they are usually the closest to the rink manager or owner than most.

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MadhouseonHickman: To add to the intrigue, I heard a rumor that the USHL has assumed control of the team. That's not confirmed; but, it would definitely throw things for a loop if true.

I'm assuming you heard this from adult league?

 

Don't discount what you hear from the men's league guys. Of all groups they are usually the closest to the rink manager or owner than most.

 

The whole league taking over the team has been a rumor for at least 5 years now. I will believe it when I see it, also rumors like Scott Clemmensen trying to buy the team (bogus) or multiple Canadian partners looking to buy the team... one thing after the next. Yes there are problems inside and out of Buccaneer Arena, maybe the league taking over the team would be the kick in the rear they need.

 

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

 

Where did you hear that? The sale included the 35 year lease?

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

 

Where did you hear that? The sale included the 35 year lease?

 

Adult League, read the whole thread thanks

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

 

Where did you hear that? The sale included the 35 year lease?

 

Adult League, read the whole thread thanks

 

 

I did read it! Weird!

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

You are correct, the asking price is higher than 4.2M

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

 

Where did you hear that? The sale included the 35 year lease?

 

Adult League, read the whole thread thanks

 

 

I did read it! Weird!

 

These are rumors, just rumors. Always have been just rumors.

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

 

Where did you hear that? The sale included the 35 year lease?

 

Adult League, read the whole thread thanks

 

 

I did read it! Weird!

 

These are rumors, just rumors. Always have been just rumors.

 

 

Why do people want to perpetuate these rumors what is the agenda?

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

 

Where did you hear that? The sale included the 35 year lease?

 

Adult League, read the whole thread thanks

 

 

I did read it! Weird!

 

These are rumors, just rumors. Always have been just rumors.

 

 

Why do people want to perpetuate these rumors what is the agenda?

 

I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

Yes, attendance has been lackluster but the whole league has been down.. Des Moines did rank above Cedar Rapids and Dubuque last season! Went from average of 2280 in 15-16 to 2379 last season. I look for the Bucs to have a solid season on the ice.

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I hadn't heard the ones about Clemmensen buying the team (he wouldn't have the money anyway) and about a Canadian group looking to buy the Bucs. There was one main group I had heard about recently and I don't want to state who was involved. If true and if it had happened, I would have been quite pleased (because the odds of the WDM facility would have goen way up) and because this group had some individuals who have proven themselves in hockey team ownership already.

 

For what it's worth, it's my understanding that the Lincoln Stars sold for $4.2 million and that the asking price for the Bucs has been more than that. I'm not sure, though, if that asking price included Buc Arena or not. If not, it would be ridiculous. If including the arena, well, maybe. Personally, if I'm the Peleds, I'd sell for a lot less and just get out from under this and then let the new ownership work with the WDM group. The Bucs have been getting very costly (all USHL teams are; but, the Bucs' attendance has really suffered in recent seasons). As things stand, the Bucs are a sinking ship and really would have to drop down to at least the NAHL, if not the NA3HL. It's my understanding that the USHL really wants to keep Des Moines in the fold, though, so hopefully the Bucs dropping out of the USHL does not happen.

 

Where did you hear that? The sale included the 35 year lease?

 

Adult League, read the whole thread thanks

 

 

I did read it! Weird!

 

These are rumors, just rumors. Always have been just rumors.

 

 

Why do people want to perpetuate these rumors what is the agenda?

 

Originally this thread was for who was returning to the bucs roster this upcoming season.... Jimi brought up some points that he heard through grapevine, he has every right to share those on here. It's a forum

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