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Posted 11 May 2016 - 08:01 PM

They are building the new arena.  Look for another expansion team soon for 2017.  They will only expand by two's for scheduling purposes. That is unless, Indy makes it back then you have your second.


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Posted 12 May 2016 - 09:26 AM

They are building the new arena.  Look for another expansion team soon for 2017.  They will only expand by two's for scheduling purposes. That is unless, Indy makes it back then you have your second.

 

Has anything been happening in Indy?  There was talk of a team in Bismarck last year on here, I don't see that happening as they are doing well in the NAHL but has there been any more talk of that?   I would hope for a closer team to Youngstown so they are not on an island.  If there was a second team in that area teams from the west could go out there and play a game against each on the weekend then do two teams in the west on the weekend and get closer to home and home with every team.



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Posted 12 May 2016 - 11:58 AM

 

They are building the new arena.  Look for another expansion team soon for 2017.  They will only expand by two's for scheduling purposes. That is unless, Indy makes it back then you have your second.

 

Has anything been happening in Indy?  There was talk of a team in Bismarck last year on here, I don't see that happening as they are doing well in the NAHL but has there been any more talk of that?   I would hope for a closer team to Youngstown so they are not on an island.  If there was a second team in that area teams from the west could go out there and play a game against each on the weekend then do two teams in the west on the weekend and get closer to home and home with every team.

 

 

Last I saw on Indy, they were eyeing some space for an arena but it sounded like the financing wasn't concrete. I would love to see the Ice back in the league. Another idea to keep the team count even would to drop the NTDP... :deadhorse:

 

I'm convinced that the USHL is testing the water in the Pittsburgh area. I think having the Fall Classic in Cranberry, PA a second year in a row (in addition to a regular season game there last season) is a good indicator that they're interested in points East of Youngstown. the Johnstown Tomahawks averaged over 2,200 for attendance this year in the NAHL and they're a decent distance from Pittsburgh. I could see a USHL team thriving in some of the close suburbs to the south of the city. Or for that matter, would the Tomahawks be too far East? The league has to expand it's footprint at some point.



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Posted 12 May 2016 - 01:02 PM

Not testing the water in Pittsburgh from what I am told.  Pittsburgh likely to get NAHL team in relocation in next few weeks.  Two years ago, there was talk of the Tomahawks swapping franchises with a USHL team but BOG doesnt want the added travel expense out east.  Unlikely the USHL ever moves beyond the Mid West footprint.


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Posted 12 May 2016 - 07:41 PM

USHL never moving past Midwest footprint:  Oh my God, logic might prevail!  I felt like I was all alone talking about how I though USHL expansion to the Northeast was a horrible idea. This was back when I was scouting multiple USHL games a week and listening to teams and their complaints about the travel and saying the USHL should try to make sure the teams they have are fine before stretching them even thinner as expenses went up and up and up.

 

Kansas City has been rumored forever.  Fifteen years ago it was supposed to be that Butch Johnson would own a team that'd play in Olathe.  I'd be for a USHL team in the western suburbs of Kansas City, Kansas.  It'd be all the way across the metro from the Mavericks.  I'd hate to see a USHL team negatively affect the Mavericks.

 

KC will be important to have when Fargo folds...



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Posted 12 May 2016 - 08:05 PM

Kwey 24 I am assuming that you are talking about the area out around the race track and casino if you are talking western KCK. That is where I was thinking would of been great 15 -16 years ago, but taxes and property value have both skyrocketed in that area. While Overland Park is a little older area that they are kind of trying to rejuvenate and freshen up a bit. They are far enough away from Independence Mo that they will both be alright probably. I just think the new club will have a much better location than the Mavericks, a lot of population and money in that area as well as being more centrally located compared to independence.

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 09:14 PM

Atrain, you are probably right. Question for you, do a lot of Kansas hockey fans make the trip over Independence to watch the Mavericks? If so, what percentage of fans do you reckon the Mavericks will lose if they add an arena in Olathe, Overland Park, Lenexa, or someplace like that?



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Posted 12 May 2016 - 10:25 PM

I have since moved from Kansas City, but was in Kansas City the first two seasons they opened the arena in Independence and they sold out or were near a sellout every game. Independence is just so far out on the edges of town out east, that I think some fans from KCK or downtown Kansas City Mo may elect to go to Overland Park, plus it is closer to the bar area or the power and light district which is another bar area down by the quest or sprint center (not sure what the arena is named any longer). I think both teams can definitely survive tickets just may become easier to get in Independence. I would guess that they might lose 15-20% of there fan base, just a real rough guess. Omaha tried a pro affiliate team along with the lancers, and the lancers are still operating KC's population is at least double Omaha's therefore if marketed right both teams I believe can be profitable. Kansas City also use to have an AHL team I believe it was called the Kansas City Blades that folded I believe around 2000 if I remember right, wouldn't surprise me if echl team didn't renew contract just because they are the NY Islanders farm team, tough for call ups, it makes more sense to me for St. Louis or Dallas to have there farm team closer, not sure where they are currently.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 05:37 AM

 
KC will be important to have when Fargo folds...


Bu-bu-but look at Fargo's attendance!!

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 06:36 AM

What's going on with Fargo that they could fold?  I've been out of the loop this past season.



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Posted 13 May 2016 - 05:09 PM

What's going on with Fargo that they could fold?  I've been out of the loop this past season.

 

 

I'll let Kwey speak for himself, but IIRC Kwey has been calling this for awhile now.  More speculation than rumor, again IIRC.     Never really heard it from other than Kwey tough. 


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Posted 13 May 2016 - 06:02 PM

 

What's going on with Fargo that they could fold?  I've been out of the loop this past season.

 

 

I'll let Kwey speak for himself, but IIRC Kwey has been calling this for awhile now.  More speculation than rumor, again IIRC.     Never really heard it from other than Kwey tough. 

 

 

Knowing Ace, it probably is speculation, but it's likely not too far off. Attendance has been seriously awful, outside of the charity centric games.  It's going to take a while to repair the Pre-Eades image this team had to get bodies back in the building. Constantly raising prices in the midst of that toxic environment was an awful idea. But hey, what do I know... 



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Posted 13 May 2016 - 08:52 PM

What's going on with Fargo that they could fold?  I've been out of the loop this past season.

 
 
I'll let Kwey speak for himself, but IIRC Kwey has been calling this for awhile now.  More speculation than rumor, again IIRC.     Never really heard it from other than Kwey tough.
 
Knowing Ace, it probably is speculation, but it's likely not too far off. Attendance has been seriously awful, outside of the charity centric games.  It's going to take a while to repair the Pre-Eades image this team had to get bodies back in the building. Constantly raising prices in the midst of that toxic environment was an awful idea. But hey, what do I know...
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Waterloo has been increasing prices. I think it is a mistake. Many hockey families are lower income working families and I think they are pricing younger families out. Better to charge lower ticker prices and make more in concessions . But hey, what do I know...

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Posted 14 May 2016 - 06:08 AM

 

 

 

What's going on with Fargo that they could fold?  I've been out of the loop this past season.

 
 
I'll let Kwey speak for himself, but IIRC Kwey has been calling this for awhile now.  More speculation than rumor, again IIRC.     Never really heard it from other than Kwey tough.
 
Knowing Ace, it probably is speculation, but it's likely not too far off. Attendance has been seriously awful, outside of the charity centric games.  It's going to take a while to repair the Pre-Eades image this team had to get bodies back in the building. Constantly raising prices in the midst of that toxic environment was an awful idea. But hey, what do I know...
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Waterloo has been increasing prices. I think it is a mistake. Many hockey families are lower income working families and I think they are pricing younger families out. Better to charge lower ticker prices and make more in concessions . But hey, what do I know...

 

 

It's another one of the mysteries about the league for me. Does this league want to be a complete amateur show or does it want to replicate a "professional" experience, like other major junior leagues and other minor league sports teams?

 

In Fargo, all the gameday employees are volunteers, at least they were when I last bought concessions a couple years ago. The people serving food, volunteers. The people serving as "ushers"(I use this term loosely because in Fargo they basically do nothing. Do not help people to their seats, do not hold people from returning to their seats during play...but they wear yellow jackets, so it's official...), volunteers. The gameday experience(production, promotions) as a whole is seriously amateur. So why are they expecting people to pay professional level prices? If I wanted to be served a hot dog by an 8 year old from a snack bar and not care about being able to watch the action in front of me because of constant foot traffic, I'll go to a local high school game for a fraction of the price. Heck, the kids playing the sport are roughly the same age. $22 to get a decent seat? You can literally get a ticket to a Minnesota Wild Game for that price.  These $22 seats aren't even "premium", it's a third of the arena! Having 1000(announced as 3000+ of course) people show up to a glorified high school production, while charging professional level prices should come as no surprise.

 

What does this league want to be?



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Posted 14 May 2016 - 06:21 AM

I think the league, like every other (example Flint) has great owners and those that some people wish would go away.  The problem is not easily fixed though.  Once the league sells a franchise, and the franchise is operating under existing guidelines by providing what is required, the leagues hands are tied without quality control standards that come with every franchise.  They also dont want to lose Fargo now simply for scheduling reasons.  But I sure wouldnt pay to go to a game there.  If you dont take pride in your product, how can you ask anyone else to take pride in supporting your product?  Kind of like Chrysler used to be; yes they made cars, and yes they sold for similiar prices as others, but you only bought one when you were left with no other options.  Sorry Chrysler lovers.


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Posted 14 May 2016 - 08:30 PM

I don't recall making the "Fargo folding" joke before, but that doesn't mean I haven't.  Usually, I'm only talking about the inevitability, someday, of Muskegon and Youngstown... 

 

I haven't heard anything concrete that Fargo is going to fold, all I've heard and read is a lot of stories about problems with the arena (this has been for years) and that attendance is a lot like the old Oklahoma City Blazers (inflated).  You read and hear things like that year after year, and you start to worry and wonder. I don't think I know anything more about the Fargo situation than TheShow, but I think I've heard and read a lot of the same things.



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Posted 08 July 2016 - 09:34 AM

An update:

 

 

 

http://arenadigest.c...nerates-debate/


Edited by gbpuckfan, 08 July 2016 - 01:47 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2016 - 10:19 PM

Your link says it's not valid, but I found this one...

http://arenadigest.c...nerates-debate/

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Posted 09 July 2016 - 02:41 PM

Your link says it's not valid, but I found this one...

http://arenadigest.c...nerates-debate/

thanks


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 03:47 AM

http://www.kshb.com/...-until-august-1

 

Looks like we won't hear anything until the beginning of next month.





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