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Miracle on Vanrick, on 08 February 2010 - 09:27 PM, said:

Tough to see Muskegon walk away with the history behind the organization. I am glad they finally released the news instead of leading the fans to speculations the rest of the year.

I just wish the team would have been the ones to release the news. Only seemed fair.

[JacksJacksJacks]

Do you hear what you just said? AHL material?

[LetsGoGems]

Sad to hear. Glad I made it to a game there this season.

[-skee-]

JacksJacksJacks, on 08 February 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Do you hear what you just said? AHL material?

Yes, I just read what I typed and I meant what I wrote. I could picture a few of these players in the AHL in the future.

[knowyourrole]

JacksJacksJacks, on 08 February 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

I understand and agree with your points. But, the IHL is a joke. It's the "stuck in the minor leagues for your career" hole, of a league. You could argue that once the UHL went under, that was the end of viability of that league.

I will not argue with points you are making if you can answer one question:

Who was the last Lumberjack/Fury player to play in the NHL?

I don't know off the top of my head, but I can guarantee you once the general public sees one or two of these players playing in the big leagues, and the fans come back (and they probably will), we'll be alright.

I wasn't old enough to remember when the Jacks' scooted town the first time in 92, but I can imagine that it was a lot worse than it is now. There wasn't another owner there right away.

Ratis Ivanans?

[Brendan Savage]

-skee-, on 06 February 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

Miracle on Vanrick, on 08 February 2010 - 09:27 PM, said:

Tough to see Muskegon walk away with the history behind the organization. I am glad they finally released the news instead of leading the fans to speculations the rest of the year.

I just wish the team would have been the ones to release the news. Only seemed fair.

The team did release it, through the newspaper. You reach a lot more people that way than through a Web site.

[Jarkko]

JacksJacksJacks, on 08 February 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

I understand and agree with your points. But, the IHL is a joke. It's the "stuck in the minor leagues for your career" hole, of a league. You could argue that once the UHL went under, that was the end of viability of that league.

I will not argue with points you are making if you can answer one question:

Who was the last Lumberjack/Fury player to play in the NHL?

I don't know off the top of my head, but I can guarantee you once the general public sees one or two of these players playing in the big leagues, and the fans come back (and they probably will), we'll be alright.

I wasn't old enough to remember when the Jacks' scooted town the first time in 92, but I can imagine that it was a lot worse than it is now. There wasn't another owner there right away.

http://senators.nhl.....htm?id=8471972

[Rich The Goalie]

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Who was the last Lumberjack/Fury player to play in the NHL?

I'd say Rumun Ndur was the last NHL'r to play for the Fury/Lumberjacks. He played for the Buffalo Sabres, New York Rangers, and Atlanta Thrashers.
Sebastien Centomo played for the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Before that we had Steve Webb with the New York Islanders and Chris Neil with the Ottawa Senators

This post has been edited by Rich The Goalie: 08 February 2010 - 10:09 PM

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Rich The Goalie, on 08 February 2010 - 11:05 PM, said:

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Who was the last Lumberjack/Fury player to play in the NHL?

I'd say Rumun Ndur was the last NHL'r to play for the Fury/Lumberjacks. He played for the Buffalo Sabres, New York Rangers, and Atlanta Thrashers.
Sebastien Centomo played for the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Before that we had Steve Webb with the New York Islanders and Chris Neil with the Ottawa Senators

Clay Wilson was after Webb and Neil.

[Papa Bear]

JacksJacksJacks, on 06 February 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

I understand and agree with your points. But, the IHL is a joke. It's the "stuck in the minor leagues for your career" hole, of a league. You could argue that once the UHL went under, that was the end of viability of that league.

I will not argue with points you are making if you can answer one question:

Who was the last Lumberjack/Fury player to play in the NHL?

I don't know off the top of my head, but I can guarantee you once the general public sees one or two of these players playing in the big leagues, and the fans come back (and they probably will), we'll be alright.

I wasn't old enough to remember when the Jacks' scooted town the first time in 92, but I can imagine that it was a lot worse than it is now. There wasn't another owner there right away.

Ryan Keller and Clay Wilson, and that's just two right off the top of my head from the last 5 or so years.

[Hit Somebody!!!]

I am equally as sad that Muskegon is going as I was when K-Zoo left. It is a sad day for us fans of hockey in FW. We will miss the great rivalry and the good people of Muskegon. Best Wishes.


It is my nature to end with a joke......so here it goes....

Can we just go ahead and re-claim our Turner Cup now, I mean, Muskegon is leaving, they might as well be gone, right? And Port Huron.....can't we just save them the humilation of choking again this season and not have to put them thru another year where they shoulda, coulda, woulda.......I mean, I am tired of yelling at Larry.........lets give that poor guy a break. I hear he likes the booby bars in FW though, it might be worth the trip for him.......

Seriously, Sad day.

[tommyboy49417]

Well Shoot.....


Can only hope for some good ticket and promotions to close out there year now i suppose.


We'll give the new kids a look next year, but if it doesn't take, it's the same amount of time or even closer for a lot of us to go to Grand Rapids for the Griffins.

[USHLfan]

Papa Bear, on 08 February 2010 - 11:35 PM, said:

JacksJacksJacks, on 06 February 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

I understand and agree with your points. But, the IHL is a joke. It's the "stuck in the minor leagues for your career" hole, of a league. You could argue that once the UHL went under, that was the end of viability of that league.

I will not argue with points you are making if you can answer one question:

Who was the last Lumberjack/Fury player to play in the NHL?

I don't know off the top of my head, but I can guarantee you once the general public sees one or two of these players playing in the big leagues, and the fans come back (and they probably will), we'll be alright.

I wasn't old enough to remember when the Jacks' scooted town the first time in 92, but I can imagine that it was a lot worse than it is now. There wasn't another owner there right away.

Ryan Keller and Clay Wilson, and that's just two right off the top of my head from the last 5 or so years.

It was an absolute joy to watch Keller play.  By far my favorite player to wear a Muskegon uniform.

[Chaulker]

Komets to lose rival Muskegon - NS/Blake Sebring

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“Let’s just wait and see what happens between now and the end of the spring,” Franke said. “I think the next couple of months are going to be very, very interesting. I think something good is going to come from all of this because now everyone in minor league hockey is finally talking.”

This isn't the "first" time leagues have talked....maybe the way that Franke wants them to, but def. not the first time.

[Old Jacks]

When you're talking about NHL player you need to be talking about guys moving up. The chances of that are pretty slim. But they aren't vastly better for USHL players either.

Below is a list of all the West Michigan Whitecaps baseball players who have played in the major leagues. These are players that are in the pipeline having been scouted and drafted by major league teams. It totals 60 players in 16 years. Only a handful of starters and just 1 all-star. This is the kind of "pipeline to the NHL" you can expect from the USHL. Take a look for yourself: USHL - NHL

Benito Baez 1996
Jason Beverlin 1995
Emil Brown 1995
Ryan Christenson 1996
Steve Cox 1994
D.T. Cromer 1994
Jeff D'Amico 1994, 1995
Jeff DaVanon 1996
Mario Encarnacion 1996
Ben Grieve 1995
Ramon Hernandez 1996
Tim Kubinski 1994
Jason McDonald 1994
Chris Michalak 1994
Willie Morales 1994
Juan Moreno 1996
David Newhan 1995
Derrick White 1996
George Williams 1994

Burke Badenhop 2006
Adam Bernero 1999
Dave Borkowski 1997
Brent Clevlen 2003
Francisco Cordero 1997
Nate Cornejo 1999
Freddy Dolsi 2005
Eulogio De La Cruz 2004
Eric Eckenstahler 2000
Robert Fick 1997
Jason Frasor 1999, 2000
Tony Giarratano 2004
Jack Hannahan 2001
Michael Hollimon 2006
Omar Infante 2000
Brandon Inge 1999
Matt Joyce 2006
Jair Jurrjens 2005
Kris Keller 1999
Don Kelly 2002
Rodney Lindsey 1998
Nook Logan 2001
Shane Loux 1998, 1999
Cameron Maybin 2006
Matt Miller 1998
Scott Moore 2003
Eric Munson 1999
Adam Pettyjohn 1998
Luis Pineda 1999
Mike Rabelo 2002, 2003
Ryan Raburn 2002, 2003
Mike Rivera 1998
Fernando Rodney 2000
Cody Ross 2000
Pedro Santana 1997, 1998
Ramón Santiago 2000
Jordan Tata 2004
Clete Thomas 2005
Andres Torres 1999
Andy Van Hekken 2000
Virgil Vasquez 2004
Chris Wakeland 1997
Jeff Weaver 1998
Joel Zumaya 2003

[Primis]

Chaulker, on 09 February 2010 - 07:19 AM, said:

Komets to lose rival Muskegon - NS/Blake Sebring

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“Let’s just wait and see what happens between now and the end of the spring,” Franke said. “I think the next couple of months are going to be very, very interesting. I think something good is going to come from all of this because now everyone in minor league hockey is finally talking.”

This isn't the "first" time leagues have talked....maybe the way that Franke wants them to, but def. not the first time.

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"Franke said the loss of teams should mean the IHL product continues to improve as better players become available because there are fewer places for players."

Doesn't sound to me like the Frankes are giving up at all with this. The spin cycle is already in progress. They're now going to try and tout having LESS teams as being BETTER for the league and that it strengthens it?

[hockeypalooza]

Old Jacks, on 09 February 2010 - 07:24 AM, said:

When you're talking about NHL player you need to be talking about guys moving up. The chances of that are pretty slim. But they aren't vastly better for USHL players either.

Below is a list of all the West Michigan Whitecaps baseball players who have played in the major leagues. These are players that are in the pipeline having been scouted and drafted by major league teams. It totals 60 players in 16 years. Only a handful of starters and just 1 all-star. This is the kind of "pipeline to the NHL" you can expect from the USHL. Take a look for yourself: USHL - NHL

Two things.

1. The USHL is still growing. It should start to turn out more and better talent in coming years.
2. The list of West Michigan Whitecaps may not be that impressive, but that may be because of their affiliation. Look at some of the other Midwest League teams. Kane County has had Dontrelle Willis, Miguel Cabrera, Adrian Gonzalez, Huston Street, Josh Beckett, and A.J. Burnett. Quad Cities has had Jim Edmonds, Brad Lidge, Carlos Guillen, Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau, and Johan Santana. Peoria has had Greg Maddux, Mark Grace, Rafeal Palmeiro, Albert Pujols and Yadier Molina. David Ortiz and A-Rod got their start with the Timber Rattlers. And there are many, many more...

[Thunderbolt]

Some additional data to consider:

http://www.behindthe...n-with-the-ushl

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on a per-team basis, the 12-team USHL produces as many NHL players as the 60-team CHL.

[booner]

this is sh****... good luck guys. i wish you well.

and AGAIN, dont like the IHL? Cool, dont come around. id rather sit thru ONE game or catch up on some info on these sites without some clowns disrespecting the leagues/teams/players/owners. go where ever you feel is better. Im not goin to USHL, CHL, ECHL, or watever blogs making fun or calling them "a go no where league" or stuck in a bla bla bla.... grow up. ITS HOCKEY. jesus thats annoying. like i have stated many many times (about as many times i hear some people make fun with supid comments like that) i wish the hockey world in general the best of luck. every league can sure as hell use it these days... if we got rid of every league, team, player, or owner that someone...SOMEONE, didnt like. we would have nothing to watch or follow.

good luck Jacks. i gotta get up for at least one more game this year for sure!
good luck IHL, your gonna need it!
good luck me... seriously picked the wrong time to quit drinkin eh???

[Mr Ricochet]

I remember this awhile back Tbird. A statistical analysis showing the USHL kids score at a rate equal to Canadian Major Junior players in higher leagues. Link

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It is clear that regardless of the analysis method, players who play in the USHL and CHL perform approximately the same once they get to higher-level leagues. Allowing for a year's worth of improvement, 18-year-olds in the USHL would maintain their level of scoring at age 19 if they transferred to Canadian Tier I Junior. Were they to transfer during the same season, they would likely maintain at least 80% of their scoring.